{"id":12352,"date":"2014-10-29T14:36:41","date_gmt":"2014-10-29T18:36:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/?p=12352"},"modified":"2014-10-30T13:12:52","modified_gmt":"2014-10-30T17:12:52","slug":"larry-jerrys-inferno","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/larry-jerrys-inferno\/","title":{"rendered":"Larry &#038; Jerry&#8217;s Inferno"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_12352\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"12352\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p><a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Inferno_(Niven_and_Pournelle_novel)\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/www.books.rosboch.net\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/Inferno.jpg\" alt=\"Inferno\" width=\"200\" \/><\/a><strong>I had forgotten about this book until recently when I came across a reprint.<\/strong> I read it originally in the late 1970s when I was reading a lot more sci-fi than I do today. (Many years ago, I ran a Toronto computer convention where I invited the authors to be the keynote speakers.\u00a0I got to spend many hours and a memorable dinner with them.) I finished the reprint only a few days ago and started the sequel, <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Escape_from_Hell_(novel)\" target=\"_blank\">Escape From Hell<\/a>, shortly after.<\/p>\n<p>I was researching Dante of late for something\u00a0I&#8217;ve been slogging at for the past couple of years, when I came across the novel again. I&#8217;m always looking for something to sharpen my understanding of Dante, and sometimes a perspective like this can help.<\/p>\n<p>Dante&#8217;s <em>Inferno<\/em>, the first of the <em>Divine Comedy<\/em> trilogy, has always fascinated me for its complex subject matter; its politics, theology, human drama and vision. I have numerous translations of it on my bookshelves. Some I keep just for the introduction and notes &#8211; the poetry is almost unintelligible without a guide (which is amusing; you need a second Virgil to guide you through Dante&#8217;s references and make sense of them in modern terms).<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Medieval Life\" href=\"http:\/\/www.medieval-life-and-times.info\/famous-medieval-people\/dante.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Dante<\/a> is tough, but not for his words.\u00a0Those are\u00a0easy to read, but the poems are full of historical and literary references that make little sense to the average (non-academic) modern reader. Some of those references were contemporary to Dante, others are classical. Archaic politics have little resonance today.<\/p>\n<p>He also had a rather ornate, medieval theology\u00a0that furnished\u00a0his view of Hell (apparently influenced by the writings of <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thomas_Aquinas\" target=\"_blank\">Thomas Aquinas<\/a>\u00a0(who I have not read but may\u00a0some day tackle the 3,500-page <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Summa_Theologica\" target=\"_blank\">Summa Theologica<\/a>\u00a0if i can work up the nerve). Without having some background knowledge or at least an edition with good notes, the words themselves often don&#8217;t tell you as much as you need to know.<\/p>\n<p>Pinsky&#8217;s version was my favourite, although <a title=\"The Guardian\" href=\"http:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2006\/mar\/25\/classics.shopping\" target=\"_blank\">Kirkpatrick&#8217;s translation<\/a>\u00a0made it a close second last year. I recently started reading <a title=\"Quarterly Conversation\" href=\"http:\/\/quarterlyconversation.com\/dantes-inferno-translated-by-mary-jo-bang\" target=\"_blank\">Mary Jo Bang&#8217;s colloquial version<\/a> and it so far intrigues me, although it seems to have annoyed some critics for her modern (and not literate) interpretations. I also have the Ciardi, Wordsworth and Musa translations. Musa&#8217;s notes are worth the book alone.<\/p>\n<p>Since its <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/English_translations_of_Dante's_Divine_Comedy\" target=\"_blank\">first translation into English<\/a>, in 1782, the Inferno has been the subject of much literary discussion and the merits of each translation heavily debated. <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Ciardi\" target=\"_blank\">Ciardi&#8217;s version<\/a> seems to have garnered the most accolades before Pinsky. I am somewhat iffy about versions that attempt to replicate Dante&#8217;s three-line rhyming scheme &#8211; it can seem rather strained &#8211; and tend to like blank verse versions better.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>You can&#8217;t really appreciate Niven and Pournelle&#8217;s <em>Inferno<\/em> without some knowledge of the original. Unfamiliarity\u00a0doesn&#8217;t make it any less an adventure, but it does make it confusing and it&#8217;s easy to get lost. Not that the two actually put the same sort of detail into their descriptions as Dante did, or follow the same path all the time. But still, it&#8217;s useful to know the basic roadmap so you understand what the various regions are intended for.<\/p>\n<p>You really need a visual map of Dante&#8217;s vision to understand\u00a0the inverted wedding-cake physical structure; mere words cannot describe the complex, layered layout well. No journey through this Hell is simple and direct. The map in the novel is\u00a0barely adequate. Mark Musa&#8217;s otherwise excellent version doesn&#8217;t even have any maps, but those in Kirkpatrick&#8217;s translation\u00a0excel. Having access to\u00a0such maps can make a difference because you get a physical sense of the journey.<\/p>\n<p>Inferno was written as a social,\u00a0political and a theological commentary, much like an informed, well-written political blog might be today (not, of course, the current cyberbullies&#8217; paltry\u00a0attempts at what they think passes for informed commentary). You don&#8217;t get a strong sense of that in the N&amp;P version. You get more of a sense of action, exploration and wonder. It&#8217;s an adventure that merely tips the hat to some of the underlying themes in Dante.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s okay as a novel, although not their best collaborative work (<em>Mote in God&#8217;s Eye<\/em> was, I think). I prefer Niven as a solo author (the Ringworld series was brilliant), too. But it is fun to see how another writer can play in the sandbox and create a narrative from what Dante left us. I&#8217;m actually surprised more authors haven&#8217;t worked stories from Dante&#8217;s vision, but perhaps it&#8217;s both too complex and to constrained for comfortable imagining.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Escape_from_Hell_(novel)\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/c\/c0\/Escapehell.jpg\" alt=\"The sequel\" width=\"300\" \/><\/a>What isn&#8217;t addressed in Dante&#8217;s\u00a0original, and is only glossed over in the novelization, is <em>why <\/em>(although the jacket notes suggest the sequel deals with the question, I haven&#8217;t encountered that part yet).<\/p>\n<p>The sequel, by the way, is another story set in the same location (Hell), with some new (and some old) characters, not a continuation in an upwards zone, as Dante did in his book, <em>Purgatory<\/em>. The N&amp;P novel\u00a0was published more than 30 years after their <em>Inferno.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Why does Hell exist?<\/strong> It&#8217;s a BIG question. What&#8217;s the point of an afterlife of unending agony, torture and pain? What sort of god would allow such a place? Does eternal\u00a0punishment always fit the crime? Especially those crimes that seem like mere slights or misdemeanors today &#8211; flattery, sloth, lust, skepticism. Is there no redemption, no forgiveness, no chance to escape?<\/p>\n<p>The &#8220;<a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Problem_of_Hell\" target=\"_blank\">problem of Hell<\/a>&#8221; has sparked many theological debates over the centuries. Not that I can tackle it here. It&#8217;s way above my grade level in theological understanding. But I can appreciate the perplexity the question generated and even some of the justifications or rationalizations posed in answer. It&#8217;s a fascinating area of study (nerterology), even for someone who does not believe in <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hell\" target=\"_blank\">Hell<\/a> (or Heaven).<\/p>\n<p>The whole afterlife thing crosses religious and cultural boundaries. Most\u00a0faiths have some sort of <a title=\"Hell Online\" href=\"http:\/\/www.hell-on-line.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">heaven-and-hell<\/a> in their beliefs and while they share some common characteristics, they also have many unique differences. The <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hell_in_popular_culture\" target=\"_blank\">concept of Hell <\/a>certainly has captured the popular imagination, moreso than that of Heaven, I think. It never ceases to bemuse me how the concept grew from <a title=\"Wikipedia\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sheol\" target=\"_blank\">sheol<\/a> &#8211;\u00a0a barely formed notion of <a title=\"Bible Study\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biblestudying.net\/cosmo-5.html\" target=\"_blank\">a place where the dead wandered<\/a>\u00a0&#8211; into the sort of frenzied, terrifying vision of eternal damnation that Dante gave us:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The word &#8220;hell&#8221; occurs 31 times in the Old Testament. All 31 of those times, the word translated &#8220;hell&#8221; is the Hebrew word &#8220;sheol.&#8221; While the English word &#8220;hell&#8221; has connotations as a place of punishment for the condemned, sheol does not have such connotations. Sheol simply refers to the abode of the dead in general, not particularly the place of the punishment for the wicked. In fact, sheol was divided into two compartments, one for the righteous dead and one for the wicked dead. And, more specifically, the Jewish concept of sheol was the &#8220;underworld,&#8221; or in other words, a place within the earth, underneath the surface world.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m a few chapters into the sequel and maybe I&#8217;ll find an answer there &#8211; albeit from their particular sci-fi-fantasy perspective. I don&#8217;t expect to get anything significant in my understanding of Dante from either, merely entertainment. But it did remind me to pick up where I left off before the election campaign in my reading of the original, so I&#8217;ve been mulling over some more scholarly book choices online as companions to my continued reading.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_12352\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"12352\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p>I had forgotten about this book until recently when I came across a reprint. I read it originally in the late 1970s when I was reading a lot more sci-fi than I do today. (Many years ago, I ran a Toronto computer convention where I invited the authors to be the keynote speakers.\u00a0I got to spend many hours and a memorable dinner with them.) I finished the reprint only a few days ago and started the sequel, Escape From Hell, shortly after. I was researching Dante of late for something\u00a0I&#8217;ve been slogging at for the past couple of years, when \u2026&#8230;&#8230; click below for more \u2193<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[8,411,12,72],"tags":[60,76,115,29,134],"class_list":["post-12352","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books","category-poetry-lyrics","category-religion","category-books-by-the-bedside","tag-history-2","tag-poetry","tag-religion-2","tag-science","tag-writing"],"a3_pvc":{"activated":true,"total_views":6026,"today_views":0},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12352","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12352"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12352\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":12394,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/12352\/revisions\/12394"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12352"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=12352"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=12352"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}