{"id":29220,"date":"2022-10-12T15:43:54","date_gmt":"2022-10-12T19:43:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/?p=29220"},"modified":"2026-03-22T18:12:46","modified_gmt":"2026-03-22T22:12:46","slug":"back-to-horace-no-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/back-to-horace-no-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Back to Horace No. 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_29220\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"29220\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/press.princeton.edu\/books\/paperback\/9780691119816\/horace-the-odes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/assets.press.princeton.edu\/images\/k7336.gif\" alt=\"Horace: The Odes, McClatchy edition\" width=\"200\" \/><\/a><span class=\"dropcap\">I<\/span> was browsing online recently because I wanted to order another book of Horace&#8217;s <em>Ode<\/em>s or maybe his<em> Epistles<\/em> in my efforts to understand and appreciate the poet more fully. I was scrolling through the always-poorly organized list of items on Amazon&#8217;s search page results (selected, it seems, mostly to promote a wide range of unrelated rubbish they want to offload&#8230;). Some titles caught my eye (wanting more books is a longtime obsession&#8230; and owning many translations of the same work is commonplace with me) but wasn&#8217;t sure if I already had that translation. Who can remember all the names and editions?<\/p>\n<p>Some titles may seem unfamiliar, but are they just a different cover from an edition I already had? An earlier print run or later reprint of something already on my bookshelves? Was it a revised edition with corrections and additions?<\/p>\n<p>So, before I ordered anything, even before I went searching online for more information from the publishers, I did a little inventory of my editions of Horace. Here is what I already owned (as of Oct. 11, 2022), listed with publisher\/translator\/publication or copyright date:<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Satires &amp; Epistles:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nOxford Classics &#8211; John Davie &#8211; 2001<br \/>\nPenguin Classics &#8211; Niall Rudd &#8211; 1973 rev 2005<br \/>\nLoeb &#8211; H.R. Fairclough &#8211; 1926 (received last month)<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Odes &amp; Epodes:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nU of Chicago &#8211; Joseph P. Clancy &#8211; 1960<br \/>\nPenguin Classics &#8211; W. G. Shepherd &#8211; 1983<br \/>\nOxford Classics &#8211; David West &#8211; 1997<br \/>\nLoeb &#8211; Niall Rudd &#8211; 2004<br \/>\nLoeb &#8211; C.E. Bennett &#8211; 1914<br \/>\nEveryman&#8217;s Library &#8211; <em>Horace: Poems &#8211;<\/em> Paul Quarrie ed &#8211; 2016 (various translators) &#8211; complete Odes &amp; Epodes, selections from Satires &amp; Epistles (received this month).<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Odes:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nModern Library &#8211; James Mitchie &#8211; 2002<br \/>\nFarrar Strauss Giroux &#8211; David Ferry &#8211; 1997<br \/>\nPrinceton U Press &#8211; J.D. McClatchy ed &#8211; (various translators) &#8211; 2005<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Odes &amp; Satires:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nPrinceton U Press &#8211; Sidney Alexander &#8211; 1999 (received this month)<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Epistles:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nFarrar Strauss Giroux &#8211; David Ferry &#8211; 2001<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Complete Works:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nModern Library &#8211; ed. Casper J. Kraemer Jr (various translators) &#8211; 1936<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>Misc:<\/strong><\/em><br \/>\nFarrar Strauss Giroux &#8211; <em>Horace and Me: Life Lessons From an Ancient Poet<\/em>, by Harry Eyres &#8211; 2013<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/horace.jpeg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/horace.jpeg\" alt=\"My Horace translations (as of 2026)\" width=\"300\" \/><\/a>I went looking through online sources for other editions including Amazon, Abebooks, and others, I can see there are versions out there not already in my collection. But several bargain editions seem to be rather dated. Christopher Smart&#8217;s translation, for example, is from 1767. And not all listings show the translator or date: finding it out sometimes takes extra exploration on other sites, and close examination of the small print on images of covers.<\/p>\n<p>What continues to impress me in all of these translations is how Horace manages to reflect humanity through the intervening millennia, and how these translators worked hard to capture feeling that into English.<\/p>\n<p>Horace has been a challenge for translators for many centuries (<a href=\"https:\/\/dash.harvard.edu\/bitstream\/handle\/1\/42674249\/The%20first%20separately%20printed%20English%20translation%20of%20Horace.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">since 1566).<\/a> David West, translator of the 1997 Oxford Classics edition, wrote &#8220;Translation of poetry is always impossible but translation of Horace\u2019s <em>Odes and Epodes<\/em> is inconceivable.&#8221; Well, maybe that &#8220;inconceivable&#8221; was just his nod to <em>The Princess Bride<\/em>. Clearly such translations have been conceived and accomplished many times over the intervening centuries by a host of people (as the Quarrie edition shows) and continue to be done by modern writers (as seen in the McClatchy edition).<\/p>\n<p>Horace&#8217;s <em>Odes<\/em> contain 103 short poems (Book I: 38; Book II: 20; Book III: 30, Book IV: 15). His <em>Epodes<\/em> contain 17 poems, <em>Epistles<\/em> 22 (Book I: 20; Book 2: 2), his <em>Satires<\/em> 18, plus his <em>Carmen Seculare<\/em> (aka the Centennial Poem) for Augustus. A total of 161 poems. And, unlike so many other classical authors whose works have been lost wholly or partially, we have all of them. Well, we as in Western libraries, museums, and archives. I, too, have them all, albeit in various more modern editions.<\/p>\n<p>The first poem of Horace&#8217;s to be printed in Latin using the new-fangled printing technology that Gutenberg made famous was Ode IV, 7, published in 1465. And even then, that was stuck into the final leaf of a Latin edition of Cicero&#8217;s more famous work, <em>On Duty<\/em>. It wasn&#8217;t until 1557 that any of Horace&#8217;s Odes saw print in an English translation, and not until 1621 that saw an entire book of his <em>Odes<\/em> translated. But since then, there have been many editions in print, and many more translators. Paul Quarrie&#8217;s selection of Horace&#8217;s poems (Everyman&#8217;s Library, 2016) includes 62 different translators dating from Francis Bacon to David West. The McClatchy edition of the <em>Odes<\/em> (Princeton University Press, 2005) includes translations by 35 contemporary poets. So there&#8217;s no shortage of translations or, apparently, contemporary translators.<\/p>\n<p>I admit I don&#8217;t speak Latin (I can recognize many words, but not more than that, yet I do enjoy that small ability), and I don&#8217;t have the educational background to properly assess anyone&#8217;s translation from a technical point of view. I can only comment on how different translations speak to me, how they move me, how sometimes these poems reach out to me, how sometimes they leave me cold.<\/p>\n<p>I prefer newer, more modern phrasing, at the very least from the 20th century, over those done earlier. And better yet, I prefer those done in the 21st century, or at least the past three decades. Which leads to my question to anyone else out there who appreciates Horace: am I missing any recent, worthy translations? Book reviews of Horatian poetry in popular media are rare, so I don&#8217;t have a lot to go on.<\/p>\n<p>I really reappreciate Rudd and Ferry most of all the editions I own, but who else should I be reading? One poster on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.online-literature.com\/forums\/showthread.php?51894-Best-Translation(s)-of-Horace-s-Odes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Literature Network forums<\/a> recommended a two-volume set from The Limited Editions Club, published in 1961, but only in an edition of 1,500 copies. The poems were selected and edited by Louis Untermeyer, but translated by various people. I looked into this, but it&#8217;s outside my budget. Damn&#8230; it looks like a very nice set.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, I have ordered another book to add to my already overflowing bookshelves, and am considering more (Richard Tarrant&#8217;s analysis of the Odes is particularly appealling):<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Staffordshire University Press; <em>The Fleeting Years: Odes of Horace from the Augustan Age of Rome<\/em>, selected and translated by Stuart Lyons, 1996<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Susan indulges me in these obsessions of mine, no doubt with a subtle shake of her head. They are a small cost, not dangerous, and keep me occupied, and still bring a smile to my face when I come across some well-worded lines.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update, Oct 28:<\/strong> Received <em>The Fleeting Years: Odes of Horace from the Augustan\u00a0Age of Rome<\/em> (Staffordshire University Press, 1996) today, translated by Stuart Lyons. English in both blank and rhyming verse, no Latin. Also has excellent endnotes. Plus I added some titles in the comments, below.<\/p>\n<p><strong>~~~~~<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>In case you want to read more, I&#8217;ve written several posts about Horace (and other Roman poets) in the past few years, including:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/eheu-fugaces-postume\/\">Eheu fugaces, Postume\u2026<\/a>;\u00a0 Dec 14, 2016<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/found-in-translation\/\">Found in Translation<\/a>; Mar 21 2018<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/ars-poetica\/\">Ars Poetica<\/a>; Apr 12 2022<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/the-vulgar-crowd\/\">The Vulgar Crowd<\/a>; Dec 27 2016<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/back-to-horace\/\">Back to Horace;<\/a>\u00a0Sep 27 2022<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/horace-and-him-and-maybe-me-too\/\">Horace and Him. And Maybe Me, Too<\/a>.\u00a0 Oct 23 2016<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/reading-catullus\/\">Reading Catullus<\/a>; Jul 28 2020<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_29220\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"29220\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p>I was browsing online recently because I wanted to order another book of Horace&#8217;s Odes or maybe his Epistles in my efforts to understand and appreciate the poet more fully. I was scrolling through the always-poorly organized list of items on Amazon&#8217;s search page results (selected, it seems, mostly to promote a wide range of unrelated rubbish they want to offload&#8230;). Some titles caught my eye (wanting more books is a longtime obsession&#8230; and owning many translations of the same work is commonplace with me) but wasn&#8217;t sure if I already had that translation. Who can remember all the names \u2026&#8230;&#8230; click below for more \u2193<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_hide_featured_image":false,"_jetpack_featured_image_duplicate_dismissed":0,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[8,856,1185],"tags":[404,734,76,147],"class_list":["post-29220","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-books","category-classics-books","category-poetry","tag-classics","tag-horace","tag-poetry","tag-reading"],"a3_pvc":{"activated":true,"total_views":754,"today_views":0},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29220","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=29220"}],"version-history":[{"count":27,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29220\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":34429,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/29220\/revisions\/34429"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=29220"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=29220"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=29220"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}