{"id":689,"date":"2012-02-21T09:18:59","date_gmt":"2012-02-21T14:18:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/?p=689"},"modified":"2012-02-21T09:18:59","modified_gmt":"2012-02-21T14:18:59","slug":"was-marx-right-after-all","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/was-marx-right-after-all\/","title":{"rendered":"Was Marx right after all?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_689\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"689\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p>[youtube=&#8221;http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&#8243;]<br \/>\nWhile Marx didn&#8217;t say exactly that the &#8220;rich get richer and the poor get poorer,&#8221; he did state that under capitalism, poverty would inevitably increase while more and more wealth would concentrate in fewer hands. Increasing profits and increasing wages, he claimed, were contradictory. Adam Smith &#8211; the &#8220;father&#8221; of capitalism &#8211; said much of the same thing, by the way. They were right.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karl_Marx\" title=\"Wikipedia\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/upload.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/commons\/thumb\/d\/d4\/Karl_Marx_001.jpg\/250px-Karl_Marx_001.jpg\" alt=\"Karl Marx\" class=\"alignleft\"\/><\/a>Marx&#8217;s economic and world views were fermented in the mid-19th century&#8217;s industrial age, an age without any of the mass communication technology of today. He was right about many things, but wrong about others. He did not, for example, see the rise of the financial class, nor did he predict the offshoring of manufacturing jobs. To be fair, none of his contemporaries did. But he got quite a bit right, given today&#8217;s economic crisis.<\/p>\n<p>Nope, I&#8217;m not a Communist, let alone a Marxist, and certainly not an economist. But look around you: if you&#8217;re not a banker, investment or hedge fund manager, if you&#8217;re not the CEO of an international corporation whose products are being made overseas, if most or all of the manufacturing jobs in your town have moved overseas, if your wages are proportionately lower compared to your expenses than they were a decade ago, if your prospects of a good-paying job are slim because those are getting sparser in your city and being replaced by minimum-wage Mcjobs, or if you live in Greece, Portugal, Italy, Ireland or Spain, then capitalism has probably failed you. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m not the only one who thinks capitalism today has serious problems (its failings have been analyzed to the nth degree since the last recession and the US bailout of its financial sector). Many now think that perhaps we should not have dismissed Marx so cavalierly when Communism fell. And some of those who think Marx may have got more than one thing right are pretty prestigious thinkers.<\/p>\n<p>Over at the conservative Harvard Business Review, Umair Haque, author of Betterness: Economics for Humans and The New Capitalist Manifesto: Building a Disruptively Better Business, <a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.hbr.org\/haque\/2011\/09\/was_marx_right.html\" title=\"Harvard Business Review\" target=\"_blank\">wrote about Marx in late 2011<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Marx&#8217;s critiques seem, today, more resonant than we might have guessed. Now, here&#8217;s what I&#8217;m not suggesting: that Marx&#8217;s prescriptions (you know the score: overthrow, communalize, high-five, live happily ever after) for what to do about the maladies above were desirable, good, or just. History, I&#8217;d argue, suggests they were anything but. Yet nothing&#8217;s black or white \u2014 and while Marx&#8217;s prescriptions were poor, perhaps, if we&#8217;re prepared to think subtly, it&#8217;s worthwhile separating his diagnoses from them.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Marx, it seems, it getting a sort of facelift from intellectuals today; people are beginning to realize that after the Berlin Wall fell, that Communism &#8211; a fault-ridden, overly-bureaucratic system few will miss in the nations that cast it off &#8211; was not actually based on Marx&#8217;s theories, just used Marx as a sort of bumper-sticker economics, so perhaps the old guy deserves a re-think.<\/p>\n<p>In spring 2011, Yale University Press published &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/yalepress.yale.edu\/book.asp?isbn=9780300169430\" title=\"Yale University Press\" target=\"_blank\">Was Marx Right?<\/a>&#8220;, by Prof. Terry Eagleton. He examines ten of the most common objections to Marxism and attempts to demonstrate &#8220;what a woeful travesty of Marx&#8217;s own thought these assumptions are.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>In <a href=\"http:\/\/www.benzinga.com\/general\/politics\/11\/08\/1863368\/was-marx-right-roubini-says-yes\" title=\"Bezinga\" target=\"_blank\">an interview with Bezinga<\/a> in August, 2011, noted economist Nouriel &#8220;Dr. Doom&#8221; Roubini stated that, &#8220;Karl Marx had it right. At some point capitalism can self-destroy itself. That&#8217;s because you cannot keep on shifting income from labor to capital without not having an excess capacity and a lack of aggregate demand.&#8221; Roubini continued, &#8220;We thought that markets work. They are not working. What&#8217;s individually rational&#8230;is a self-destructive process.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The article that follows goes on to criticize Roubini for his comments, but makes the classic fallacy of not dissociating Marx from Communism, or rather from the systems that took the name Communism but were usually little more than military dictatorships with poorly implemented, centrally-planned economies, and only nodding allegiance to anything Marx wrote. It&#8217;s easy to point to the collapse of the Soviet economy and claim it proves that Communism and therefore Marx&#8217;s economic ideas were faulty. But that&#8217;s really Leninism, and not what Marx meant by &#8220;Communism.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s popular among the uber-right in the USA to label anything left of Genghis Khan as &#8220;Communist&#8221; or &#8220;socialist&#8221; but that only underscores the intellectual poverty of the right. It doesn&#8217;t actually mean anything in the political debate except that you&#8217;re arguing with fools.<\/p>\n<p>Communism as Marx saw it was never actually implemented, and probably never could be today. We&#8217;re as far from his industrial age world as the Internet is from Gutenberg. But that doesn&#8217;t mean that every aspect of Marx&#8217;s thinking was wrong. Despite being drearily dense and notoriously difficult to read, his economic works contain some valid points about capitalism that &#8211; like his predecessor Adam Smith&#8217;s writings &#8211; make some salient points about capitalism that we can&#8217;t reject by tossing them out with the Soviet-tainted bathwater. <\/p>\n<p>None of the above writers would be classified as Marxists or even neo-Marxists, but there are still some old, dogmatic Marxist thinkers around who treat Das Capital as gospel. As Mike Beggs wrote in <a href=\"http:\/\/jacobinmag.com\/summer-2011\/zombie-marx\/\" title=\"Jacobin Magazine\" target=\"_blank\">Zombie Marx<\/a>,<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>What I call Zombie Marx is different \u2013 the reanimation of a corpse which still holds organically together in some way. This is the reconstruction of Marxist economics as a coherent body of thought, not a collection of quotations&#8230; the need to ground everything in a 140-year-old text&#8230;. it is obviously a lot of intellectual hard work to \u201cinterpret Marx correctly.\u201d It cannot be taken for granted that Marx was right; it must be proven anew with each generation, against both rival interpretations and the revisions the previous generation had found necessary to make.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Marx got some things wrong. And he got some things right. That&#8217;s pretty much true of every economic theory or policy since Adam Smith. Marx was probably more right than some &#8211; say Alan Greenspan, whose disastrous economic polices have led to much to today&#8217;s problems &#8211; but I think the point here is that we should be re-evaluating Marx in light of today&#8217;s failing capitalism and not simply dismissing him as the tail wagging the Communist dog.<br \/>\n[youtube=&#8221;http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TnRNXVLu3ek&#8221;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p id=\"pvc_stats_689\" class=\"pvc_stats all  \" data-element-id=\"689\" style=\"\"><i class=\"pvc-stats-icon medium\" aria-hidden=\"true\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" version=\"1.0\" viewBox=\"0 0 502 315\" preserveAspectRatio=\"xMidYMid meet\"><g transform=\"translate(0,332) scale(0.1,-0.1)\" fill=\"\" stroke=\"none\"><path d=\"M2394 3279 l-29 -30 -3 -207 c-2 -182 0 -211 15 -242 39 -76 157 -76 196 0 15 31 17 60 15 243 l-3 209 -33 29 c-26 23 -41 29 -80 29 -41 0 -53 -5 -78 -31z\"\/><path d=\"M3085 3251 c-45 -19 -58 -50 -96 -229 -47 -217 -49 -260 -13 -295 52 -53 146 -42 177 20 16 31 87 366 87 410 0 70 -86 122 -155 94z\"\/><path d=\"M1751 3234 c-13 -9 -29 -31 -37 -50 -12 -29 -10 -49 21 -204 19 -94 39 -189 45 -210 14 -50 54 -80 110 -80 34 0 48 6 76 34 21 21 34 44 34 59 0 14 -18 113 -40 219 -37 178 -43 195 -70 221 -36 32 -101 37 -139 11z\"\/><path d=\"M1163 3073 c-36 -7 -73 -59 -73 -102 0 -56 133 -378 171 -413 34 -32 83 -37 129 -13 70 36 67 87 -16 290 -86 209 -89 214 -129 231 -35 14 -42 15 -82 7z\"\/><path d=\"M3689 3066 c-15 -9 -33 -30 -42 -48 -48 -103 -147 -355 -147 -375 0 -98 131 -148 192 -74 13 15 57 108 97 206 80 196 84 226 37 273 -30 30 -99 39 -137 18z\"\/><path d=\"M583 2784 c-38 -19 -67 -74 -58 -113 9 -42 211 -354 242 -373 16 -10 45 -18 66 -18 51 0 107 52 107 100 0 39 -1 41 -124 234 -80 126 -108 162 -133 173 -41 17 -61 16 -100 -3z\"\/><path d=\"M4250 2784 c-14 -9 -74 -91 -133 -183 -95 -150 -107 -173 -107 -213 0 -55 33 -94 87 -104 67 -13 90 8 211 198 130 202 137 225 78 284 -27 27 -42 34 -72 34 -22 0 -50 -8 -64 -16z\"\/><path d=\"M2275 2693 c-553 -48 -1095 -270 -1585 -649 -135 -104 -459 -423 -483 -476 -23 -49 -22 -139 2 -186 73 -142 361 -457 571 -626 285 -228 642 -407 990 -497 242 -63 336 -73 660 -74 310 0 370 5 595 52 535 111 1045 392 1455 803 122 121 250 273 275 326 19 41 19 137 0 174 -41 79 -309 363 -465 492 -447 370 -946 591 -1479 653 -113 14 -422 18 -536 8z m395 -428 c171 -34 330 -124 456 -258 112 -119 167 -219 211 -378 27 -96 24 -300 -5 -401 -72 -255 -236 -447 -474 -557 -132 -62 -201 -76 -368 -76 -167 0 -236 14 -368 76 -213 98 -373 271 -451 485 -162 444 86 934 547 1084 153 49 292 57 452 25z m909 -232 c222 -123 408 -262 593 -441 76 -74 138 -139 138 -144 0 -16 -233 -242 -330 -319 -155 -123 -309 -223 -461 -299 l-81 -41 32 46 c18 26 49 83 70 128 143 306 141 649 -6 957 -25 52 -61 116 -79 142 l-34 47 45 -20 c26 -10 76 -36 113 -56z m-2057 25 c-40 -58 -105 -190 -130 -263 -110 -324 -59 -707 132 -981 25 -35 42 -64 37 -64 -19 0 -241 119 -326 174 -188 122 -406 314 -532 468 l-58 71 108 103 c185 178 428 349 672 473 66 33 121 60 123 61 2 0 -10 -19 -26 -42z\"\/><path d=\"M2375 1950 c-198 -44 -350 -190 -395 -379 -18 -76 -8 -221 19 -290 114 -284 457 -406 731 -260 98 52 188 154 231 260 27 69 37 214 19 290 -38 163 -166 304 -326 360 -67 23 -215 33 -279 19z\"\/><\/g><\/svg><\/i> <img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"16\" height=\"16\" alt=\"Loading\" src=\"https:\/\/ianchadwick.com\/blog\/wp-content\/plugins\/page-views-count\/ajax-loader-2x.gif\" border=0 \/><\/p>\n<div class=\"pvc_clear\"><\/div>\n<p>[youtube=&#8221;http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&#8243;] While Marx didn&#8217;t say exactly that the &#8220;rich get richer and the poor get poorer,&#8221; he did state that under capitalism, poverty would inevitably increase while more and more wealth would concentrate in fewer hands. Increasing profits and increasing wages, he claimed, were contradictory. Adam Smith &#8211; the &#8220;father&#8221; of capitalism &#8211; said much of the same thing, by the way. They were right. Marx&#8217;s economic and world views were fermented in the mid-19th century&#8217;s industrial age, an age without any of the mass communication technology of today. He was right about many things, but wrong about others. 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